The two indivuals you are quoting from as your proof material lived over a hundred years after Jesus was born. There also was a pre-Christian Roman celebration, the holiday of Saturnalia around that time of the year.
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Historical evidence for Christmas and Christs birthday
by DS211 ini just read this feom 4jehovah.org.
there is a historical basis for the december 25th date of christs birth.
justin martyr (100-165 a.d.) wrote marcus aurelius that jesus was born at bethlehem as you can ascertain also from the registers of the taxing.
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Favoritism in the Organization
by William Penwell innot sure if this topic has been covered before but i have a question to all of you, did you run across much favouritism while being a jdub?
i know as a working person favouritism is standard practice.
growing up as a jdub and being a naive teenager i always thought that they were above "worldly" people but i learned the hard way and from my own brother in law.
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William Penwell
I know it happens in every aspect of life but the JW's like to claim they are above these imperfect traits but in reality they are no better than anyone else. I detest hypocrites.
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Favoritism in the Organization
by William Penwell innot sure if this topic has been covered before but i have a question to all of you, did you run across much favouritism while being a jdub?
i know as a working person favouritism is standard practice.
growing up as a jdub and being a naive teenager i always thought that they were above "worldly" people but i learned the hard way and from my own brother in law.
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William Penwell
Not sure if this topic has been covered before but I have a question to all of you, did you run across much favouritism while being a Jdub? I know as a working person favouritism is standard practice. Growing up as a Jdub and being a naive teenager I always thought that they were above "worldly" people but I learned the hard way and from my own brother in law. In the congregation he had his little "pets" that he thought could do no wrong and he favored them. Now looking back I actually thank my brother in law for opening my eyes to the hypocrisy and helped me see the true light. He is no longer my brother in law but if only this pompous hypocrite knew that he was the start of my leaving the cult. HA HA
I was wondering if any of you others had similar experiences?
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Disfellowshipped but still forced to pay maintenance or alimony
by Markw1509 incan i ask for your opinion?
i have been disfellowshipped and divorced for a few years.
my ex-wife and my daughter have cut off all contact from me.
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William Penwell
Yeah the Dubs are hypocritical bunch of bastards. If they are so adamant that you are such a bad person they would refuse the child support. Otherwise by them accepting the support, they would have to agree to visitation rights for you. They cannot have it both ways.
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Organized to Do Jehovahs Will
by juliew ini found a copy of this book in my childs room at my home.
i am not a jw but their other parent is.. .
should i be concerned.
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William Penwell
The only thing you can do is develop critical thinking in your child so they can examine and question everything. Otherwise if you talk against the beliefs of the JW's, you will be labeled as the "devil" by the believing parent. I did not understand everything and the seriousness of my baptism at the age of 17. Also I thought someone under a certain age is not capable of entering into a binding contract or agreement as that is what baptism is all about.
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John Lennon: Imagine.....
by confusedandalone inthere's no heaven...... it's easy if you try.... i am not a huge fan of the beatles, not a fan of john lennon really either.
however, this song is one that i think most people tend to like for its airy feel and sentiment.
the funniest thing to me is how the opening 9 words of this song really really really make one think about belief.. honestly for one second trying to imagine there is no heaven, it is easy if you try.
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William Penwell
John Lennon was saying if we want to live in peace and unity that to get shed our divisive divisions like religion and politics.
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How to DF 2 People With ZERO Proof! New YouTube video and article
by RayPublisher inthis story is quite remarkable and no doubt many will appreciate it being told.
it is telling for several reasons; it highlights the fact that the watchtower organization can expel and marginalize anyone for literally anything if they are crossed.
they did that to ray franz back in the early 1980s and they recently have done it to these fine folks.. there are some six pieces of documentation in the account and it is in some ways a complicated mess, but it really boils down to a couple of active witnesses informing on someone to the elders.
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William Penwell
There is a couple of things that will piss off the elders. For this couple to get a "worldly" lawyer to represent them is the ultimate sin in the elder’s eyes. I went through this kangaroo court preceding’s 20 years ago. That was the final straw for me. The laughable thing is I do not recognize their authority, so they can do anything they like.
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Did Jehovah's Witnesses Plagiarize HWA's False Prophecy Of 1975?
by Bangalore indid jehovah's witnesses plagiarize hwa's false prophecy of 1975?.
http://livingarmstrongism.blogspot.com/2013/10/did-jehovahs-witnesses-plagiarize-hwas.html.
bangalore.
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William Penwell
I was there with the Jdubs in 1960's and 70's and believe me the 1975 was a marked year. In the early 70's, I was told I would not graduate high school in this system and was to go into the full time preaching work as the end of this system was just around the corner. If you would have said cautionary comments to the contrary, you would have been looked down as someone with little faith. It wasn't till 1975 came that the society started playing down the significants of 1975. Anyone that lived through it that says otherwise either is lying or has a short memory.
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New Understanding of this Generation
by pronomono inanother tidbit of information about this generation from the 1/15/2014 study edition under "let your kingdom come - but when?".
they've changed it again.. this generation will not pass away14-16.
what is a third reason for believing that gods kingdom will come soon?.
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It just infuriates me to think growing up that our family was told that we would never see death and we would all happily hold hands together into that promised new system because this generation was in no way to pass away. My father sold his house in the 70's based on this lie that to put all our efforts into the full time preaching. Only to see my parents grow old a die. The WT society can deny this all they want but I was there and seen it first-hand. I do not put anything past these lying SOB, they will do anything to keep the R&F Jdub under their control.
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New Understanding of this Generation
by pronomono inanother tidbit of information about this generation from the 1/15/2014 study edition under "let your kingdom come - but when?".
they've changed it again.. this generation will not pass away14-16.
what is a third reason for believing that gods kingdom will come soon?.
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William Penwell
What happens when the second generation dies out? They will change the prophecy to read those that knew the second generation and so forth. I recall an elder saying that Jehovah would preserve the FTS and make sure some of them lived through Armageddon, so they could direct the work here on earth. So much for that prediction.